Comments on: Come Back to Reality Eagles Fans http://www.27pitches.com/2010/01/come-back-to-reality-eagles-fans/ Sun, 25 Jul 2010 21:27:52 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Tom http://www.27pitches.com/2010/01/come-back-to-reality-eagles-fans/comment-page-1/#comment-3277 Tom Sat, 23 Jan 2010 05:22:26 +0000 http://www.27pitches.com/?p=2389#comment-3277 The question to be asked is what is at the root of our failure to win an NFL Championship for 49 consecutive years? The answer in fact is deeply rooted in organizational failure at various levels. Draft incompetence, free agent signings that have rarely panned out, (see Stacey Andrews)short sighted decisions to not resign valueable on field leaders who cannot be replaced, ie. (Brian Dawkins) not to mention many game day issues that range from poor play calling to a total lack of discipline on both sides of the ball. Oh yes and Donavan must take some responsiblility for the failure of this offense to produce in the late season. I fully understand the criticism that we live from play to play and do not appreciate his entire body of work but to continually watch segments of games where Donavan struggles with his accuracy is getting well beyond the point of irritation. While Donavan has a huge upside as has been stated in the article you cannot ignore the fact that he has not improved his areas that are considered his shortcomingsthroughout his career specifically his accuracy. Are we to just accept this as we continue to lose ground in the NFC East? As a fan I am at the point of accepting this team for what it is and that is a team that is just above mediocre with a minimal chance to win a SuperBowl in the near future. I think it is time to tinker with the machine and the cogs that drive it starting with McNabb's removal. Furthermore it is time to seriously conside overhauling the entire team structure form Joe Banner on down to Andy Reid. We have proven that the existing formula works to a point well short of winning a title. Lets keep the parts that work and throw the parts that dont into the scrap heap and start again. If not, yes we may continue to knock on the door off and on again for another 49 years without ever knocking it down. Is that something any of us want to endure? I know that I dont. The question to be asked is what is at the root of our failure to win an NFL Championship for 49 consecutive years? The answer in fact is deeply rooted in organizational failure at various levels. Draft incompetence, free agent signings that have rarely panned out, (see Stacey Andrews)short sighted decisions to not resign valueable on field leaders who cannot be replaced, ie. (Brian Dawkins) not to mention many game day issues that range from poor play calling to a total lack of discipline on both sides of the ball. Oh yes and Donavan must take some responsiblility for the failure of this offense to produce in the late season.
I fully understand the criticism that we live from play to play and do not appreciate his entire body of work but to continually watch segments of games where Donavan struggles with his accuracy is getting well beyond the point of irritation. While Donavan has a huge upside as has been stated in the article you cannot ignore the fact that he has not improved his areas that are considered his shortcomingsthroughout his career specifically his accuracy. Are we to just accept this as we continue to lose ground in the NFC East? As a fan I am at the point of accepting this team for what it is and that is a team that is just above mediocre with a minimal chance to win a SuperBowl in the near future. I think it is time to tinker with the machine and the cogs that drive it starting with McNabb’s removal. Furthermore it is time to seriously conside overhauling the entire team structure form Joe Banner on down to Andy Reid. We have proven that the existing formula works to a point well short of winning a title. Lets keep the parts that work and throw the parts that dont into the scrap heap and start again. If not, yes we may continue to knock on the door off and on again for another 49 years without ever knocking it down. Is that something any of us want to endure? I know that I dont.

]]> By: southpaw http://www.27pitches.com/2010/01/come-back-to-reality-eagles-fans/comment-page-1/#comment-3254 southpaw Thu, 21 Jan 2010 16:47:48 +0000 http://www.27pitches.com/?p=2389#comment-3254 Where to start... Just because the Eagles ATTEMPTED to get Mcnabb help with Peters ( who i said was overpaid and over-rated) doesnt mean he got the help that was needed. Peters was at best average this year, so you can't blame that on anyone but him. I'm not going to get into your little Elway discussion because frankly I dont care about him or his team in the 80's. Unfortunately I am only fluent in english so i have no other way of telling you that when you through the ball more than anyone in NFL history it makes it harder to complete passes consistently as opposed to running a balanced offense. Go back a few years ago when Jeff Garcia, who was not nearly as talented, took over for Mcnabb. He went 5-1 and led the Eagles to win the East, partly in thanks to a balanced offense. It was 51/49 pass to run, respectively. For some reason whenever Mcnabb plays Reid falls in love with the pass all over again. I'd love to see every QB this year through the ball 70 percent of the time and see how they end up (with the exception of brees and manning because they are robots, not humans). Mcnabb is not the problem and he has the ability to win the Super Bowl. I love the people that say "the eagles arent going to win it this year if they keep mcnabb." My response to these asinine "football fans" is congratulations on your bold prediction. You'll be correct 31/32 times. As for winning super bowls and not wanting constant contention, most teams are constant contenders when they win super bowls. Also, as a last note because i'm done wasting my time because keeping Mcnabb is a no brainer to me, I did a little poll of my own. I have about 15 friends who are either Giants, Redskins, or Cowboy fans. 13 of those people who think it would be a mistake for the Eagles to get rid of Mcnabb. Where to start… Just because the Eagles ATTEMPTED to get Mcnabb help with Peters ( who i said was overpaid and over-rated) doesnt mean he got the help that was needed. Peters was at best average this year, so you can’t blame that on anyone but him. I’m not going to get into your little Elway discussion because frankly I dont care about him or his team in the 80’s. Unfortunately I am only fluent in english so i have no other way of telling you that when you through the ball more than anyone in NFL history it makes it harder to complete passes consistently as opposed to running a balanced offense. Go back a few years ago when Jeff Garcia, who was not nearly as talented, took over for Mcnabb. He went 5-1 and led the Eagles to win the East, partly in thanks to a balanced offense. It was 51/49 pass to run, respectively. For some reason whenever Mcnabb plays Reid falls in love with the pass all over again. I’d love to see every QB this year through the ball 70 percent of the time and see how they end up (with the exception of brees and manning because they are robots, not humans). Mcnabb is not the problem and he has the ability to win the Super Bowl. I love the people that say “the eagles arent going to win it this year if they keep mcnabb.” My response to these asinine “football fans” is congratulations on your bold prediction. You’ll be correct 31/32 times. As for winning super bowls and not wanting constant contention, most teams are constant contenders when they win super bowls. Also, as a last note because i’m done wasting my time because keeping Mcnabb is a no brainer to me, I did a little poll of my own. I have about 15 friends who are either Giants, Redskins, or Cowboy fans. 13 of those people who think it would be a mistake for the Eagles to get rid of Mcnabb.

]]> By: Brandon http://www.27pitches.com/2010/01/come-back-to-reality-eagles-fans/comment-page-1/#comment-3236 Brandon Wed, 20 Jan 2010 20:27:14 +0000 http://www.27pitches.com/?p=2389#comment-3236 My comments were all inclusive to all of the comments posted after my last, so calm down little buddy no need to get so defensive. You seriously think saying Elway is the greatest is outlandish, really? His running back in the 80s was Sammy Winder. Ever heard of him? Please, he carried his teams in the 80s all by himself with a good defense and him, that's all. I also have no idea what you're talking about when you say "I’m not wasting anymore time since we won," so I can't respond to that, but please take a look in your history books and read or watch Elway play the game and then say it's a dumb comment. I could understand someone disagreeing with me on that, but to say it'd dumb is ridiculous, seriously. The O-line comment was for Southpaw, not you. But drafting another running back wouldn't matter anyway because Reid doesn't run the ball and why do people always complain about the lack of weapons, everyone has the same salary cap people just use it differently so stop whining about lack of weapons and he actually doesn't have GREAT pocket presence. He holds the ball too long and is very inaccurate. And really who cares about consistent contention? Are you a Bills or a Browns fan? I'm a Giants fan and I don't want consistent contention, I want to win Super Bowls. Pretty sure Eagles fans do too. My comments were all inclusive to all of the comments posted after my last, so calm down little buddy no need to get so defensive. You seriously think saying Elway is the greatest is outlandish, really? His running back in the 80s was Sammy Winder. Ever heard of him? Please, he carried his teams in the 80s all by himself with a good defense and him, that’s all. I also have no idea what you’re talking about when you say “I’m not wasting anymore time since we won,” so I can’t respond to that, but please take a look in your history books and read or watch Elway play the game and then say it’s a dumb comment. I could understand someone disagreeing with me on that, but to say it’d dumb is ridiculous, seriously. The O-line comment was for Southpaw, not you. But drafting another running back wouldn’t matter anyway because Reid doesn’t run the ball and why do people always complain about the lack of weapons, everyone has the same salary cap people just use it differently so stop whining about lack of weapons and he actually doesn’t have GREAT pocket presence. He holds the ball too long and is very inaccurate. And really who cares about consistent contention? Are you a Bills or a Browns fan? I’m a Giants fan and I don’t want consistent contention, I want to win Super Bowls. Pretty sure Eagles fans do too.

]]> By: MP http://www.27pitches.com/2010/01/come-back-to-reality-eagles-fans/comment-page-1/#comment-3234 MP Wed, 20 Jan 2010 20:12:24 +0000 http://www.27pitches.com/?p=2389#comment-3234 What is ridiculous is that apparently Brandon can't read properly. 1- Never compared Marino to Mcnabb in terms of performance... simply in terms of not winning a super bowl which is accurate not ridiculous. 2- Elway is nowhere near the best QB of all time - stop smoking crack that just simply a dumb comment and I'm not wasting anymore time since we won because I'm pretty sure they had a great running game and solid defense... not offensive powerhouse. 3- I NEVER said draft O-Line.. I said draft people to surround him with... it's a team game step up your defense... get another RB etc. As far as I'm concerned the OL is not all that bad... but then again that could be because Mcnabb has GREAT pocket presence, but yeah I know I know there are a hundred other QBs that would be better 4-I can't help to think that the only reason this is even a discussion is because of a few whiny Philly fans that take for granted who keeps that team in contention. Losing Mcnabb and Reid would mean you enter a losing record instantly. Talk about a dumb GM decision why would you want to field a non contender? I've actually never liked the Eagles... but now more then ever I seriously hope they let Mcnabb win a ring with another team.... the problem with my wish is that the upper management of the Eagles isn't stupid enough to trade him. What is ridiculous is that apparently Brandon can’t read properly.

1- Never compared Marino to Mcnabb in terms of performance… simply in terms of not winning a super bowl which is accurate not ridiculous.
2- Elway is nowhere near the best QB of all time – stop smoking crack that just simply a dumb comment and I’m not wasting anymore time since we won because I’m pretty sure they had a great running game and solid defense… not offensive powerhouse.
3- I NEVER said draft O-Line.. I said draft people to surround him with… it’s a team game step up your defense… get another RB etc. As far as I’m concerned the OL is not all that bad… but then again that could be because Mcnabb has GREAT pocket presence, but yeah I know I know there are a hundred other QBs that would be better
4-I can’t help to think that the only reason this is even a discussion is because of a few whiny Philly fans that take for granted who keeps that team in contention. Losing Mcnabb and Reid would mean you enter a losing record instantly. Talk about a dumb GM decision why would you want to field a non contender?

I’ve actually never liked the Eagles… but now more then ever I seriously hope they let Mcnabb win a ring with another team…. the problem with my wish is that the upper management of the Eagles isn’t stupid enough to trade him.

]]> By: Brandon http://www.27pitches.com/2010/01/come-back-to-reality-eagles-fans/comment-page-1/#comment-3233 Brandon Wed, 20 Jan 2010 18:44:03 +0000 http://www.27pitches.com/?p=2389#comment-3233 Ahh, the ridiculousness. The reason I mentioned 4000 yards is because he is in a system that throws the ball 70% of the time. When all you do is throw you better have numbers to back it up, which frankly he really doesn't have. Elway was the greatest QB to ever play, but he also took a team filled with no-names on offense single-handedly to the Super Bowl 3 times before he won the last two. And Reeves actually liked to keep his team balanced so they ran the ball and in the late 80's the NFL was a running league. The league is a passing league now and 10 QBs threw for over 4k this year. Was McNabb one of them? No. He is a very good player, but when you watched him throughout his career did you think HOF? I certaintly didn't and don't. And please NEVER compare Marino to McNabb. His numbers are ridiculous and McNabb isn't even close. And about drafting some lineman and then maybe giving McNabb some time, what happened to Peters? The Eagles signed him to a huge deal and Reid proclaimed him as the best LT in football. Ryan Clady might have something to say about that. Looks like Reid sucks as a GM too. Going to be tough to bring in someone who can actually protect with so much money wrapped up in a bust and don't say the uncapped year will allow it because team's won't go way over the old cap because they know it'll return and they'll have to shed all the extra they just accrued. And all you Philly fans can't lie about this, would you have rather competed every year this decade or won the Super Bowl once and had a few below-average seasons mixed in. You all know the answer so don't go spouting off. Ahh, the ridiculousness. The reason I mentioned 4000 yards is because he is in a system that throws the ball 70% of the time. When all you do is throw you better have numbers to back it up, which frankly he really doesn’t have. Elway was the greatest QB to ever play, but he also took a team filled with no-names on offense single-handedly to the Super Bowl 3 times before he won the last two. And Reeves actually liked to keep his team balanced so they ran the ball and in the late 80’s the NFL was a running league. The league is a passing league now and 10 QBs threw for over 4k this year. Was McNabb one of them? No. He is a very good player, but when you watched him throughout his career did you think HOF? I certaintly didn’t and don’t. And please NEVER compare Marino to McNabb. His numbers are ridiculous and McNabb isn’t even close. And about drafting some lineman and then maybe giving McNabb some time, what happened to Peters? The Eagles signed him to a huge deal and Reid proclaimed him as the best LT in football. Ryan Clady might have something to say about that. Looks like Reid sucks as a GM too. Going to be tough to bring in someone who can actually protect with so much money wrapped up in a bust and don’t say the uncapped year will allow it because team’s won’t go way over the old cap because they know it’ll return and they’ll have to shed all the extra they just accrued. And all you Philly fans can’t lie about this, would you have rather competed every year this decade or won the Super Bowl once and had a few below-average seasons mixed in. You all know the answer so don’t go spouting off.

]]> By: SJ http://www.27pitches.com/2010/01/come-back-to-reality-eagles-fans/comment-page-1/#comment-3231 SJ Wed, 20 Jan 2010 18:25:22 +0000 http://www.27pitches.com/?p=2389#comment-3231 MP - for the most part, I agree with everything you are saying, which makes it hard for Birds fans like myself to stomach all the nonsense about 5 needing to go. I've been behind McNabb since day 1 and still believe he's our best shot at a title. MP – for the most part, I agree with everything you are saying, which makes it hard for Birds fans like myself to stomach all the nonsense about 5 needing to go. I’ve been behind McNabb since day 1 and still believe he’s our best shot at a title.

]]> By: Mark Redlefsen http://www.27pitches.com/2010/01/come-back-to-reality-eagles-fans/comment-page-1/#comment-3230 Mark Redlefsen Wed, 20 Jan 2010 18:25:06 +0000 http://www.27pitches.com/?p=2389#comment-3230 What a great season McNabb provided for my fantasy football team. I could not be happier. Too bad for the sour grapes out there. What a great season McNabb provided for my fantasy football team. I could not be happier. Too bad for the sour grapes out there.

]]> By: MP http://www.27pitches.com/2010/01/come-back-to-reality-eagles-fans/comment-page-1/#comment-3229 MP Wed, 20 Jan 2010 15:34:36 +0000 http://www.27pitches.com/?p=2389#comment-3229 I really don't understand how we are having a conversation about certain stats like how many 4000 yards years he's had. John Elway is all I have to say about that argument. So lets all just drop it. Next, Mcnabb is an elite QB overall and anybody who says otherwise is just simply venting about being beaten in the playoffs. I see this issue being similar to discussions about Dan Marino.... I wonder what everyone would be saying here... the guy has plenty of 4k plus years... TDs coming out the ying yang... but no big game victory... so I guess that means the Dolphins should have traded probably the best gun slinger the game has ever had because he couldn't get the big one and somehow keeping him would be in line with the definition of insanity. Actually after reading these posts and hearing about how ungrateful Eagle fans are, I hope they do trade Mcnabb, put Kolb in, go 5-11 and then shut the hell up. What would make it even better is if Mcnabb goes to the Skins and sticks it to you.. sound familiar.... yeah there's another guy out there that just posted his best statistical numbers ever. Good old #4. I really don’t understand how we are having a conversation about certain stats like how many 4000 yards years he’s had. John Elway is all I have to say about that argument. So lets all just drop it. Next, Mcnabb is an elite QB overall and anybody who says otherwise is just simply venting about being beaten in the playoffs.

I see this issue being similar to discussions about Dan Marino…. I wonder what everyone would be saying here… the guy has plenty of 4k plus years… TDs coming out the ying yang… but no big game victory… so I guess that means the Dolphins should have traded probably the best gun slinger the game has ever had because he couldn’t get the big one and somehow keeping him would be in line with the definition of insanity.

Actually after reading these posts and hearing about how ungrateful Eagle fans are, I hope they do trade Mcnabb, put Kolb in, go 5-11 and then shut the hell up. What would make it even better is if Mcnabb goes to the Skins and sticks it to you.. sound familiar…. yeah there’s another guy out there that just posted his best statistical numbers ever. Good old #4.

]]> By: The Ironbagel http://www.27pitches.com/2010/01/come-back-to-reality-eagles-fans/comment-page-1/#comment-3221 The Ironbagel Wed, 20 Jan 2010 04:36:34 +0000 http://www.27pitches.com/?p=2389#comment-3221 Fundamentally it comes to single question for the Eagles and the fans. Do you want to contend next year, or begin the rebuilding process?? I think we can all agree that rebuilding now while there are pieces in place to win NOW would be a fools errand, and we all can agree that Eagles fans might not have the stomach to go through the rebuilding process after making the playoffs consistently over the last decade. I still contend that when it comes to game planning the portly fellow wearing the head set is pretty good there are always little wrinkles then in the fourth quarter he develops a brain block and freezes; and game management is just not his strong suit. To the point that the Patriots won with no name receivers that just isn't true. We have all heard of system QBs well Bill B won with system receivers(Troy Brown, David Patten,Deion Branch and my favorite Bethel Johnson). That's why those guys left and did not play at the same level. Mark my words if Deion Branch comes back he puts a 75 catch 8 TD season. Ohh and if 4k passing yards a season is the bench mark of a great quarterback I think Mr. Elway would argue with that statement; he had only (2) 4K yard seasons if memory serves. But no one in Denver said John should go, except the other teams in the AFC West; Mike Shanahan got there installed a balanced attack (it didn't hurt that he drafted TD), but Elway was known as the guy who couldn't win the big one. Then won two at the end of career! I will say this about Philly fans you never cease to amaze! Ohh and I am still mad at the Philly's because as a Bosox fan I have to listen to the bloody Yankees and how the "Universe is back to order" statements...STILL Fundamentally it comes to single question for the Eagles and the fans. Do you want to contend next year, or begin the rebuilding process?? I think we can all agree that rebuilding now while there are pieces in place to win NOW would be a fools errand, and we all can agree that Eagles fans might not have the stomach to go through the rebuilding process after making the playoffs consistently over the last decade. I still contend that when it comes to game planning the portly fellow wearing the head set is pretty good there are always little wrinkles then in the fourth quarter he develops a brain block and freezes; and game management is just not his strong suit.

To the point that the Patriots won with no name receivers that just isn’t true. We have all heard of system QBs well Bill B won with system receivers(Troy Brown, David Patten,Deion Branch and my favorite Bethel Johnson). That’s why those guys left and did not play at the same level. Mark my words if Deion Branch comes back he puts a 75 catch 8 TD season. Ohh and if 4k passing yards a season is the bench mark of a great quarterback I think Mr. Elway would argue with that statement; he had only (2) 4K yard seasons if memory serves. But no one in Denver said John should go, except the other teams in the AFC West; Mike Shanahan got there installed a balanced attack (it didn’t hurt that he drafted TD), but Elway was known as the guy who couldn’t win the big one. Then won two at the end of career! I will say this about Philly fans you never cease to amaze! Ohh and I am still mad at the Philly’s because as a Bosox fan I have to listen to the bloody Yankees and how the “Universe is back to order” statements…STILL

]]> By: susan http://www.27pitches.com/2010/01/come-back-to-reality-eagles-fans/comment-page-1/#comment-3219 susan Wed, 20 Jan 2010 02:26:41 +0000 http://www.27pitches.com/?p=2389#comment-3219 well, here it is in a nutshell.. what most people aren't considering... it's not that McNabb can't win the big one...it's that he can't win the big one IN PHILLY. it's just not going to happen. the "andy and donovan show" just doesn't deviate from what doesn't work. "I take full responsibility" and "we need to work on some things" just doesn't cut it anymore. even when people were jumping on the "Andy Reid, Coach of the Year" bandwagon, i saw him for what he was; an (non)passionate, (quietly)arrogant, (non)tactician. on top of that,eagles management sees sold-out games and forgets to fill in all the puzzle pieces to win the big one. i have no problem (unlike eagles nation) admitting that McNabb is a top 10 QB and that our chances are much better if he is our guy next year. being a contender is better than being a non-contender. but sometimes change is needed to shake things up (look at the OTHER Philly sport, where Brad Lidge changed cities and did win the big one). it's pretty much a no-win situation. McNabb could stay and have a bad year, or he could leave and bring a championship to a rival. eagles fans have been tough on him since day one and and the only way they'll change their minds is if he comes back and wins the superbowl. Personally, i'd like to see him back, along with ALL the puzzle pieces for a legitimate run at it. it would really stink if a change of cities came back to bite us all. well, here it is in a nutshell..
what most people aren’t considering…
it’s not that McNabb can’t win the big one…it’s that he can’t win the big one IN PHILLY. it’s just not going to happen. the “andy and donovan show” just doesn’t deviate from what doesn’t work. “I take full responsibility” and “we need to work on some things” just doesn’t cut it anymore.
even when people were jumping on the “Andy Reid, Coach of the Year” bandwagon, i saw him for what he was; an (non)passionate, (quietly)arrogant, (non)tactician. on top of that,eagles management sees sold-out games and forgets to fill in all the puzzle pieces to win the big one.
i have no problem (unlike eagles nation) admitting that McNabb is a top 10 QB and that our chances are much better if he is our guy next year. being a contender is better than being a non-contender. but sometimes change is needed to shake things up (look at the OTHER Philly sport, where Brad Lidge changed cities and did win the big one).
it’s pretty much a no-win situation. McNabb could stay and have a bad year, or he could leave and bring a championship to a rival. eagles fans have been tough on him since day one and and the only way they’ll change their minds is if he comes back and wins the superbowl.
Personally, i’d like to see him back, along with ALL the puzzle pieces for a legitimate run at it. it would really stink if a change of cities came back to bite us all.

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